that is the conclusion you must accept if you are a jehovah's witness as my wife tries to explain to me that even if what they are teaching today contradicts what they were previously teaching, they had the truth then and they have the truth now.
the difference is, they (the witnesses and the governing body) simply believed that what they were teaching at the time was the truth but when they discovered new information they adjusted their thinking.
so since they formerly believed it to be the truth, they were in the truth.. an example she gave involved people who once believed the earth was flat.
garyneal, I empathize with you. I was married to a dub that sounded much like that with her convoluted logic and circular arguments. It got to a point you could never discuss anything about the organization. I would get so flustered I felt like hitting my head up against a wall.
Like other posters said if this is a spirit directed organization, then they shouldn't get anything wrong. Things like 1975 was not a matter of changing light but an out and out lie.
i just wondering how this vile term came to be used in constant referral to the org, i really, really hate it!
it's only since coming out that i have realised how much the jdubs use it.
everything is the truth this and the truth that.
This term is not unique to just the dubs. I have heard other religion using that term. I had a friend that was born again evangelist and she referred to her beliefs as the truth.
w77 6/1 pp.
346-347 mourning and funeralsfor whom?
a funeral or memorial service?
A friend of mine from work went to a JW funeral and got called on shortly afterward, out in the ministry. Apparently his wife had a conversation with someone at the funeral, which they mistook for interest in their religion. They then proceeded to get their names and address off of the guest registry.
That is pretty tacky but I wouldn't put anything past some dubs. I remember years ago some dub and my ex wife were going through the local news paper obituaries and writting letters to the nest of kin. They stopped after one elder told them that was not approprate.
w77 6/1 pp.
346-347 mourning and funeralsfor whom?
a funeral or memorial service?
As far as the discourse is concerned , a lot depends on the speaker. I knew an elder ( dead now ) who used to give really good funeral talks. He loosely used the WTBTS outline but made it personal & tailored the talk depending on the audience - eg if there were a lot of "worldly" relatives there he weaved in a lot of the history of the deceased - conversely if it was a mainly JW audience with few worldly people there ( eg a Bethelite or a JW with mainly JW family ) he stuck closer to the Society outline.
I understand that the elder giving the funeral sermon has to cover a certain outline but they could be a little creative and bring it back to the deceased instead of quoting one scripture after the other. Just comes across as uninspired and tacky.
I do remember a few dire JW funeral talks though. One about 30 years ago was for something of a marginal JW in our congregation who was a bit of a creepy guy and would probably today be regarded as a marginal paedophile. All the kids my age just regarded him as a smelly old man who was overly friendly and one to avoid - most congregations had them in those days. The speaker ( who hardly knew him ) stuck rigidly to the outline & kept saying how people should copy the "fine example" of this JW. A few eyebrows were raised and I could see a few of the relatives weren't impressed.
We had a few of those in the congreations I went to. Now we these types would be labelled as a pedo to keep away from. I Iremember one old fellow would always give the children candy. Maybe inocent but you never know.
i have not attended anything jw related for over a year.... until last week when i went to our one day convention.. why you ask?.
i can do what i want i'm a grown adult.. ok...ok...so my jw childhood friend who i have not seen forever, came by for a visit.. i mentally went through the check list:.
is she pioneering and need extra time?.
Last time I went was a few years ago to take my elderly mother to the memorial as she needed a ride. Sometimes you have to do things you don't like for loved ones.
w77 6/1 pp.
346-347 mourning and funeralsfor whom?
a funeral or memorial service?
Theredeemer, You know if your mom left the Kingdum Hall with any money they wouldn't refuse that. I know one dub woman that didn't leave her children any of her money because none of them were not good dubs but left it all to the WT.
one soldier is shot at war memorial.
multiple shooters suspected.
national post has live updates:.
So we have now joined the most oppressive regime of the 20th Century in its new Holy War against the Middle East, now that the red Commie threat has been milked for all it was worth. Thanks, Steven Harper, Brian Mulroney, and all other sycophants who join the Elite (that is, the Bushes, the Bankers and the SAUDIS - let's not forget our "bestest Islamic friends") in their ongoing endeavour to keep us enslaved to their work-slave system.
If I recall it was Jean Chretien that refused to send our troops into GW war. My take on this is we know there is awful things that go on in this world under repressive regime, some mind you have been backed by the US but it is time we stop acting as the world’s police force. No matter what we do there will still be these horrible things happening. If these countries want democracy, let them fight it out themselves, why should we send our young men and women in to do their dirty work. I really do not think they are ready to embrace our democratic principles. All the west has done is destabilize those countries.
one soldier is shot at war memorial.
multiple shooters suspected.
national post has live updates:.
Do we know for sure if it was a Muslim that did this? Even though it sounds like a Islamic extremists work, lets not jump to conclusions before we get all the facts.
one soldier is shot at war memorial.
multiple shooters suspected.
national post has live updates:.
I just watched the news coverage here on CBC and all they can confirm is one gun man that shot and killed a reserve at the war memorial. They think he ran into the parliment building and was shot dead there. It wouldn't surprise me if it was some radical muslim but lets wait till all the information is made available.
when i started the fade....i recognize that i was upset, mainly because of the desillusionment.
but, over the course of the past several months, i am noticing an increasing anger toward all thing org.
it can only be described as indignation, not simply upset.
Second, I am angry at ME for being such a gullible dumbass. The final conclusion has to be that "the buck stops here". I'm at fault for buying it all at face value. Sure, as a born-in I can try to say it's my parents fault, but at some point, somewhere along the line, I have to accept the responsibility.
Like myself who was born into it, we were all conditioned from birth. Yes I had some doubts even at an early age but we were told that we were wrong and to blindly follow this oranization, so it is not all that easy to just walk away. It is admitting that everything we believe in is wrong. It takes years to get over this mind condioning. You are the strong one in your family that said this is wrong regardless of the consequences and left the religion. I think there is many weak ones that just go along with BS because they don't want to rock the boat and stay with the status quo.
